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Re:CFB Gagetown (Question period) 8 Years, 7 Months ago  
ken what is the date for the protest march on thompson,s office, butch
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Re:CFB Gagetown (Question period) 8 Years, 7 Months ago  
willie musgrave wrote:
ken what is the date for the protest march on thompson,s office, butch

May 19th. at 14:00 hrs (2PM)at the legion hall in St. Stephen. We haven't got confirmation from the legion yet but if we have to move someone will be at the legion to direct you.

I think we have a Pipe band and color party but again until after the 15th when the legions have heir meetings, we are not sure.

But one thing is sure is that we will be protesting on the 19th. of May in front of Greg Thompsons Office.

Hope to see you there
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Re:CFB Gagetown (Question period) 8 Years, 7 Months ago  
ken, thanks for the conformation on the date of the protest march ,what abouut dress,i imagine that it may be more impressive if those that have turned out in blue blazers medals ect, jjust a thought, butch
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Re:CFB Gagetown (Question period) 8 Years, 7 Months ago  
willie musgrave wrote:
ken, thanks for the conformation on the date of the protest march ,what abouut dress,i imagine that it may be more impressive if those that have turned out in blue blazers medals ect, jjust a thought, butch

It certainly would but for this one I will be donning a Orange, Agent Orange and Gagetown Survivors Group Vest for the Thompson protest.

I think for our first protest we need to get the people out and not worry so much about dress. But yes it would be nice in blue blazers medals.
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Re:CFB Gagetown AO 8 Years, 7 Months ago  
dailygleaner.canadaeast.com/opinion/article/635666

Go read and add your comments. You have to join but it costs nothing and they do not junk email you.

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Re: Agent Orange

I would like to commend the organizers of the Evening of Awareness at the Forestry Complex on March 29.

Although there was a large crowd present, conspicuously missing were our local elected officials. MLA Jody Carr was present as the only government representative for both sides and levels of government. Shame.

This was an opportunity for them to hear first hand the sad but true accounts of how our government is ignoring our military veterans, widows of veterans and civilians who were exposed to the poisonous, lethal chemicals used for almost two decades that federal governments had allowed.

One of the most heinous chapters in local military history is being ignored by the politicians, the media and the public at large.

Do you know how you may have been affected by the spraying of unsafe chemicals in and around areas where your local produce, dairy products and other food sources come from?

Correspondence to several people in power go unheeded and ignored although the spin-off effects of 2-4-D and 2-4-5-T will have ramifications for years to come.

It took the efforts of several young people (who live outside of Canada) to bring this shameful chapter into the 21st century by means of a documentary film. They are incurring costs out of their own pockets because of their deep belief that what is happening is wrong.

When the film is released, it will expose our government for what is has not done. Those exposed to Agents Orange/Purple/White may not live to see the release.

It's time for people to force our elected officials to listen and do the right thing. I am an angry army brat.

Jolene (Bigger) Hartt

Fredericton

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And my comments:

Both the Canadian and New Brunswick governments have been able to keep this atrocity a secret for over 50 years. They are now experiencing as the books name explains Blowback and the sins of their predecessors. I don't believe that they yet realize that the cat is out of the bag, that the Genie is out of the bottle and that the ex-military/civilian Victims Are now on the march. And that we, each and every one of us and our children after us are not going to stop this march until justice is served.
We demand a full public and Judicial Inquiry. If finding out what happened to $220,000 Mulroney/Schreiber dollars is worth $14 million Tax payers dollars, we the people who actually defend their cushy seats in the House of Commons and Vote for their sorry behinds had better start to see some loyalty in return.

We demand a full public and Judicial Inquiry and then some proper medical care and compensation for what Governments have put us through.
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Re:CFB Gagetown (Question period) 8 Years, 7 Months ago  
Hello everyone.

Kenneth Young has been keeping you all well informed on the St Stephan NB protest rally to take place on May the 19th. at 2:00 P.M.

We will know for sure within the next two days if we can muster at the St Stephan Legion to begin this historic protest rally for measurable accountability and justice that has to this point been denied by the Harper and Thompson Government.

For this protest rally to be a resounding success, it is vitally important that we put as many Black Watch boots on the ground at this rally as possible. The Vice President of your Atlantic Branch, Mr. Art Snow has told me, at the height of the Black Watch Association's membership you were four thousand strong. There is now only approximately nine hundred of you left. Of the three thousand one hundred of your ranks that have passed on, 75 to 80% of them have died of some form of CANCER. Where is the accountability and justice for their loss? Where is the accountability and justice for their families and the genetic damage of their children and grandchildren?

For those of you who regularly visit and post on this site, the families of those of us who have passed and the sick and dyeing because of the toxic chemicals sprayed at Gagetown by our Government and DND need your support now.

We need you to contact everyone of your association's membership, friends and supporters to come out and attend this rally. This is the only way we will ever see the justice we rightly deserve. I respectfully ask that all Veterans be in uniform for this historic event.

Pipe Major James Patterson has agreed to play Amazing Grace for a minute of silence in front of Greg Thompson's riding office. Our uniforms and the Pipes will go over great with the media and we will not look like a bunch of tree hugging hippies.

I am having a problem in getting a pipe band and a color party to lead the parade from the Legion to Greg Thompson's office. Any ideas or help on this issue will only benefit all of us.

It is also important that everyone be at the St Stephan Legion on the 19th. of May no later than 1:00 P.M. This will give us lots of time to get organized before 2 o'clock.

If there are any questions or suggestions, please contact me at 250-423-4245.

United we will prevail, divided we shall fail.

Gary Goode
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"Blowback", "A Canadian History of Agent Orange 8 Years, 7 Months ago  
Best Mouse trap in town.

Many people have praised and just as many have condemned Chris Arsenault's book, "Blowback", "A Canadian History of Agent Orange and the war at home".

I look at it this way. We may want and may even need to build a better mouse trap but until we do this is not only the best mouse trap around but it is the only mouse trap in town. So until someone builds a better mouse trap, use the one you have or learn to live with the mice.

Every single History book I have ever read has errors and omissions if for no other reason then every person sees history through their own eyes and with their own preconceptions of what actually happened. Look at Louis Real's story or Custard's last stand and you can see that it all depends on your point of view whether they were heroes of villains, whether they were right or wrong and whether History has treated them fairly or not.

There is nothing in this book that can not be easily corrected in the next book whoever writes it. But until then it is the only book in town that is getting our story, our sorrow and our tribulations out there to the general public. Because this is a story which needs to be told and told now, not 10 years down the road if any of us live that long to write it, we need to accept it even though some may not want to indorse the book.

A sure fire remedy for those of you who do not wish to support this book is to get off of your duffs and write a better book but until then accept the fact that this is the best book available on the CFB Gagetown NB. Toxic Chemical Defoliation Atrocity, today.
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Fredericton Book Launch: Blowback 8 Years, 7 Months ago  
Fredericton Book Launch: Blowback
A Canadian History of Agent Orange and the War at Home
Chris Arsenault


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Date: Thursday, April 16, 2009
Time: 7:00pm - 10:00pm
Location: Renaissance College
Street: 811 Charlotte Street
City/Town: Fredericton, NB
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Re:CFB Gagetown (Question period) 8 Years, 7 Months ago  
hit the nail on the head gary,100% right, we shall do our best to let thompson & harper know how we feel,hopefully we will have the numbers to do just that, b musgrave
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Re:CFB Gagetown (Question period) 8 Years, 7 Months ago  
If Steven Dixon can go on a hunger strike for our benefit. What can we do to help ourselves?

The Last Act

Re: Steven Dixon Hunger Strike
By Claudia Schibler

Political Fasts, today, commonly known as hunger strikes, have been around for eons and utilized as a means of peaceful protest to raise public awareness in an effort to replace abuse and inequality with justice.

Outside the White House, people have organized in an historic strike called ‘Troops Home Fast’; Gandhi’s hunger strike gained international attention as he rallied the people of India and opposed British Colonial policies; Ceasar Chavez and the United Farm Workers Hunger Strike attracted national attention and the support of Senator Robert F. Kennedy. And let us not forget Dr. King, Jr., and Marion Dunlop, a 20th century suffragette; all perfectly sane people who chose to deprive themselves of food so those they represented would not be deprived of their rights.

If the Media had not been interested in pursuing their stories, the People would have remained uninformed and these leaders for change would have achieved nada: Nothing gained. History not made.

On April 6, 2009, Canadian Forces Veteran, Steven Dixon began his own hunger strike. He is in a protest for justice, recognition of illnesses, benefits, transparency, accountability and reform within the Dept of Veteran’s Affairs. He proudly served his country and now suffers from emotional and physical injuries, as well as Huntington’s disease. We’ll all die someday but Steven Dixon is dying now. He has no lingering hope there will be a miracle. He has no illusions he’ll change The Larger World like Gandhi or King. He just wants to seize the moment and affect his smaller world. He knows he'll never see change in his lifetime, however, he hopes others will see it in theirs.

Before the final curtain drops, Steven wants, as a last act, to present a gift to his brothers and sisters in arms which he feels will give even further meaning to a life already full of service to others. He has engaged in this selfless act, not for himself, but for the greater number who have found themselves negated and abused within the veteran community.

How will those he acts for react? Will strength be gained and for once ‘ALL’ come together and support him? And when he slips away, will his memory be honoured? Will anyone carry on his legacy of not giving up when there is even one veteran in need? Steven doesn’t want to become a martyr; however, he may become just that, if the Government AND the veteran community don’t get their act together. The last numbers I’ve seen: 197,000 traditional war veterans; 588,000 Canadian Forces Veterans; 77,000 survivors of these two groups: Total-862,000. That’s one hell of a Cast, that doesn’t include a full complement of children, extended family and friends. If it ever mobilized, the politicians might take notice and actually give a damn.

What will be the national/international impact as Steven hastens towards his death? Sadly, his story made it as far as a small column in the B section of the April 2nd edition of the Chronicle Herald. Let’s face it-stories of Veterans fighting for their rights have become tiresome; they just aren’t sexy. No history in the making here. No journalistic awards presented on a black tie night.

And that’s just how the Government likes it. The Canadian public have been lulled into apathy by the repetitive and seductive tones of influential politicians singing the ever popular lyrics of the MPs hypnotic rhetoric: ‘We love our troops. We love our veterans. We support them. We’re doing more than enough for them.’

They’ve repeated it enough that they believe it. They’re hoping the rest of the nation does, too.

If this story does not gain momentum, then in all likelihood Steven will simply waste away as his body, quite literally, consumes itself and the public will be none the wiser. If the Public were to ever think critically, tune itself into the ineptness of Government and Mainstream Press and use their right to vote on more than Survivor or Idol, power would return to where it belongs; the Electorate.

Even if there was a desire to do so, moms and grand-moms, dads and grand-dads, sisters and brothers, sons and daughters, across this country, would not be given an opportunity to share their views. And if you should not agree with his method, look beyond to his message. The man and his message must be brought to every Canadian in all the nooks and crannies of this nation, because at one time or another, every village, city and outport has felt the loss of a family member, neighbour or friend who has served in uniform.

The method is just a sad by-product of the heartless, powerful few who will do anything to minimize the story, keeping it hidden in the back pages of a newspaper or keeping the public disinterested with their subtle political, powers of persuasion. Let’s not get lost in condoning or not condoning and put our focus where it belongs: On the bigger picture.

The Veterans have never wanted to place additional financial burden on the taxpayer; they’re taxpayers themselves. They’ve paid into their own programs and the Government has misused and absconded with their contributions. This same Government body attempts to mislead the public by implying they’re taking the food out of the taxpayer's mouth. Just who is doing the taking here?

Recently, the Nova Scotia Government offered Lockheed Martin, a company that earned over $3B in profits last year, $1.8 million in payroll rebates and the Federal Government will throw in $1.4 Billion. I’m wondering if the Taxpayers of this country, who declare such support, would balk at the small fraction of money (veteran’s own money) it would take to fix all the abuses of the veterans. The Government has selective memory. It tends to forget it takes soldiers to run the equipment it buys and soldiers to fill boots on the ground; soldiers they’ve made a moral contract with if a soldier should become veteran.

It’s not the soldiers or veterans who place financial burdens on the Canadian people, it’s the Government. When war plans are made and costs calculated, add the human element. If the cost is too high, then resign our military efforts to guarding our sovereign nation; ensure our citizens are secure and their basic needs (health, housing, education and infrastructure) are met before lining the pockets of multi-billion $$$ profit making companies like Lockheed Martin.

Steven Dixon is the face of all the young men and women who have heard your call to arms. They’ve answered this call since the birth of our nation. They want the same things all Canadians want. They have the same hopes, dreams and fears of their fellow citizens: The difference is what they have been prepared to do for their nation and complete strangers who they regard as friends and family: You. This is the ultimate gift they offer: “Greater love has no one than this; that one lay down his life…” What is done with this gift is an individual choice and one of conscience.

The death of a man is like the fall of a mighty nation (Czeslaw Milosz). It’s difficult to think about and accept, but this nation which has become desensitized, may not give more than a passing thought to Steven Dixon from Beaverbank , Nova Scotia . And for the life of me, I can’t fathom why he thinks we, in uniform or out, are the slightest bit worthy of his sacrifice in the first place. I hope he figures this out and lives his remaining weeks and months without giving one more thought to any of us. What Paris Hilton does is of more interest than what some veteran does.

Unfortunately, I don’t think this will happen. Steven seems determined to end his life with the same conviction he had living it. So I wonder, what will Joe and Jane Schmoe and Steven’s military/veteran family do before he goes from being warm and alive to cold and absent? If we chose to disassociate, then pray for a miracle to forget his face and his name.

However this whole story unfolds, I know he’ll haunt me. Long after you sleep the sleep of angels, I, for one, will not forget you, Steven Dixon.
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